A resurfaced interview is making waves online — one that shows Tucker Carlson, long before his explosive departure from Fox News, warning Americans about the overwhelming power of the deep state. In a conversation with Blaze founder Glenn Beck, Carlson laid bare what many in Washington would rather keep hidden: the so-called “oversight” committees in Congress don’t oversee intelligence agencies at all. In reality, it’s the intel agencies that control Congress.
During the interview, Beck posed the question every freedom-loving American has asked: can any politician stop the deep state? Carlson’s response was blunt and sobering.
“I don’t want to seem crazy,” he said, “but it’s pretty tough. There’s a lot of power vested in the federal agencies. There’s no oversight at all. The Congress provides no oversight at all.”
Carlson went even further, painting a disturbing picture of committees like House Intel. Instead of acting as watchdogs for the American people, he explained, they serve as lapdogs for the same intelligence agencies they’re supposed to keep in check.
“The Intel committees do not oversee the Intel agencies,” Carlson said flatly. “They’re controlled by the Intel agencies. I know the people who serve on them. That’s true. Does Mike McCaul offer a backstop against the agencies? He’s part of the agencies. They all are. So I think it’s very hard.”
It was a rare moment of honesty about a shadow government most politicians are too afraid to even acknowledge.
Carlson has only grown more outspoken since leaving Fox News, and on his June 23, 2025, podcast, he turned his fire inward — blasting one of his former colleagues, Jennifer Griffin, for carrying water for the very deep state he has spent years warning about.
“Jen Griffin is a liar, but also very liberal — a true Trump hater,” Carlson said. “To the point where I complained about her, and I really tried not to complain about other people at Fox. But she was discrediting the channel, a shill for the deepest of deep states.”
Carlson described Griffin’s reporting as indistinguishable from left-wing propaganda: “Her internal memos were like screeds. It was like, ‘Oh, I’ll just read Politico Playbook if that’s what you want. Or Mother Jones.’”
Carlson went on to explain that Griffin wasn’t just biased — she was untouchable.
“You could not touch Jennifer Griffin,” he recalled. “I said to an executive at Fox, ‘What are we doing with this Jennifer Griffin person? She’s an idiot. She doesn’t tell the truth. She misleads our viewers, and she’s a screaming liberal who hates Trump, whom our viewers love. What are we getting out of this?’ And I was told, ‘Oh, you could not touch Jennifer.’”
The implication was clear: even inside conservative media, deep state sympathizers hold positions of influence and cannot be challenged — proof, once again, of just how far the swamp’s tentacles reach.
Carlson’s warnings should ring alarm bells for anyone paying attention. If the intelligence agencies control Congress — and if even conservative media shields pro-deep state operatives — then the fight to reclaim our government is bigger than any one election.
As Carlson put it, rooting out the deep state is “very hard.” But exposing the truth is the first step, and that’s exactly what he continues to do.
